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		<title>By: Mad Men: &#8220;Wee Small Hours&#8221; &#171; jimcofer.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Men: &#8220;Wee Small Hours&#8221; &#171; jimcofer.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - When Sal goes through his work alone in his office, we see the Popsicle ad from &#8220;The Mountain King&#8221;. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mad Men: &#8220;Souvenir&#8221; &#171; jimcofer.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Men: &#8220;Souvenir&#8221; &#171; jimcofer.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ken says that Cooper is at his ranch in Montana (something we learned he owned in &#8220;The Mountain King&#8221;), Roger&#8217;s &#8220;in Jane&#8221;, and Don is on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mad Men: &#8220;Love Among the Ruins&#8221; &#171; jimcofer.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Men: &#8220;Love Among the Ruins&#8221; &#171; jimcofer.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] resident. Correct he if I&#8217;m wrong, but I believe we know that Greg is a thoracic surgeon (&#8220;The Mountain King&#8221;), but we don&#8217;t know where. In the same episode, Joan says that Greg also &#8220;stitches up [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] resident. Correct he if I&#8217;m wrong, but I believe we know that Greg is a thoracic surgeon (&#8220;The Mountain King&#8221;), but we don&#8217;t know where. In the same episode, Joan says that Greg also &#8220;stitches up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jimcofer.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mad Men: &#8220;Meditations in an Emergency&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimcofer.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mad Men: &#8220;Meditations in an Emergency&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sally&#8217;s &#8220;Mommy, you&#8217;re bleeding!&#8221; comment was about near the end of the previous episode. We didn&#8217;t have to wait long to find an answer: Betty&#8217;s pregnant, thanks to her liaison [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But Matt Weiner could have used the storyline for something more interesting than Sheila simply dumping him after three days&lt;/i&gt;

Well, you&#039;ve got a point there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But Matt Weiner could have used the storyline for something more interesting than Sheila simply dumping him after three days</i></p>
<p>Well, you&#8217;ve got a point there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://jimcofer.com/personal/?p=1817&#038;cpage=1#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;She’s 32, and feeling “over the hill” compared to the rest of the office girls.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


Actually, she is 31 years old.


&lt;i&gt;&quot;I don’t have a problem with interracial relationships or liberal views. I just can’t stand people that use such things to be seen as “cool” or “liberal” by the white mainstream. If Paul really loved Sheila, I’d feel bad for him. I just think he used her to show off his “hipness” instead.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I know why Paul was dating Sheila in the first place.  But Matt Weiner could have used the storyline for something more interesting than Sheila simply dumping him after three days . . . with no explanation to the audience.  And instead of viewers asking for details on what led to their breakup, they are easily excepting Paul&#039;s words and simply sighing with relief that the romance is over.

It seemed as if Weiner ended the Paul/Sheila story on a vague note - his first foray into the Civil Rights movement - and I found it unsatisfying.  I also found the fans&#039; easy acceptance of the story&#039;s ending rather irritating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;She’s 32, and feeling “over the hill” compared to the rest of the office girls.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, she is 31 years old.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I don’t have a problem with interracial relationships or liberal views. I just can’t stand people that use such things to be seen as “cool” or “liberal” by the white mainstream. If Paul really loved Sheila, I’d feel bad for him. I just think he used her to show off his “hipness” instead.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I know why Paul was dating Sheila in the first place.  But Matt Weiner could have used the storyline for something more interesting than Sheila simply dumping him after three days . . . with no explanation to the audience.  And instead of viewers asking for details on what led to their breakup, they are easily excepting Paul&#8217;s words and simply sighing with relief that the romance is over.</p>
<p>It seemed as if Weiner ended the Paul/Sheila story on a vague note &#8211; his first foray into the Civil Rights movement &#8211; and I found it unsatisfying.  I also found the fans&#8217; easy acceptance of the story&#8217;s ending rather irritating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yet, fans seem more willing to place the blame on Betty for setting up the lunch than on Sara Beth for giving in to temptation and screwing Arthur.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I might agree with you about the &quot;fans&quot;, but this fan in particular just doesn&#039;t get THE WHOLE THING. The whole storyline. Is Betty trying to make herself feel better by bringing everyone down to her level? What&#039;s the whole point behind this story?

&lt;i&gt;Why do people assume that he can rescue Joan? Only Joan can rescue herself from her situation with Greg. She can leave him.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I agree with you there. But I&#039;m not sure that a woman of Joan&#039;s time could easily break off an engagement. She&#039;s 32, and feeling &quot;over the hill&quot; compared to the rest of the office girls. Now, I wasn&#039;t alive back then, but given what I know about that time, I assume that cops responded to domestic disturbance calls with a &quot;hey buddy, just knock it off, OK?&quot; to the perp instead of the instant jail time it is today. Joan may look up to Peggy&#039;s feminist side, but I don&#039;t know that she&#039;s ready to go thee herself. I&#039;m not sure that Joan would dump Greg by herself, so having Roger &quot;rescue&quot; her makes more sense to me, storywise.

&lt;i&gt;Not into interracial romances are we? It’s typical that a racist like 
Harry would be the one to crow over Paul’s failed romance with Sheila.&lt;/i&gt;

No, I just think that Paul&#039;s one of those liberal douches that does stuff just to be noticed for being a liberal douche. You HAVE to remember the scene from the party in Paul&#039;s apartment where he was practically introducing Sheila as &quot;his black girlfriend&quot;. &quot;Dig me! I&#039;m cool! I have a black girlfriend&quot;!

I don&#039;t have a problem with interracial relationships or liberal views. I just can&#039;t stand people that use such things to be seen as &quot;cool&quot; or &quot;liberal&quot; by the white mainstream. If Paul really loved Sheila, I&#039;d feel bad for him. I just think he used her to show off his &quot;hipness&quot; instead.

&lt;i&gt;Why should she, since “Daddy” conveniently disappeared on them?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, he&#039;s her father, for one. Two, it hasn&#039;t been made clear to Sally WHY Don is gone. In fact, Betty snaps at them more and more often (while at the same time Don has been taking the kids out to dinner and other &quot;fun&quot; stuff), so from Sally&#039;s point of view, you have a) mean mommy and b) sweet daddy that&#039;s been missing for just a while (remember, we don&#039;t know how long Don has been gone, and before he left for LA he had been visiting the kids often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yet, fans seem more willing to place the blame on Betty for setting up the lunch than on Sara Beth for giving in to temptation and screwing Arthur.</i></p>
<p>Well, I might agree with you about the &#8220;fans&#8221;, but this fan in particular just doesn&#8217;t get THE WHOLE THING. The whole storyline. Is Betty trying to make herself feel better by bringing everyone down to her level? What&#8217;s the whole point behind this story?</p>
<p><i>Why do people assume that he can rescue Joan? Only Joan can rescue herself from her situation with Greg. She can leave him.</i></p>
<p>Well, I agree with you there. But I&#8217;m not sure that a woman of Joan&#8217;s time could easily break off an engagement. She&#8217;s 32, and feeling &#8220;over the hill&#8221; compared to the rest of the office girls. Now, I wasn&#8217;t alive back then, but given what I know about that time, I assume that cops responded to domestic disturbance calls with a &#8220;hey buddy, just knock it off, OK?&#8221; to the perp instead of the instant jail time it is today. Joan may look up to Peggy&#8217;s feminist side, but I don&#8217;t know that she&#8217;s ready to go thee herself. I&#8217;m not sure that Joan would dump Greg by herself, so having Roger &#8220;rescue&#8221; her makes more sense to me, storywise.</p>
<p><i>Not into interracial romances are we? It’s typical that a racist like<br />
Harry would be the one to crow over Paul’s failed romance with Sheila.</i></p>
<p>No, I just think that Paul&#8217;s one of those liberal douches that does stuff just to be noticed for being a liberal douche. You HAVE to remember the scene from the party in Paul&#8217;s apartment where he was practically introducing Sheila as &#8220;his black girlfriend&#8221;. &#8220;Dig me! I&#8217;m cool! I have a black girlfriend&#8221;!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with interracial relationships or liberal views. I just can&#8217;t stand people that use such things to be seen as &#8220;cool&#8221; or &#8220;liberal&#8221; by the white mainstream. If Paul really loved Sheila, I&#8217;d feel bad for him. I just think he used her to show off his &#8220;hipness&#8221; instead.</p>
<p><i>Why should she, since “Daddy” conveniently disappeared on them?</i></p>
<p>Well, he&#8217;s her father, for one. Two, it hasn&#8217;t been made clear to Sally WHY Don is gone. In fact, Betty snaps at them more and more often (while at the same time Don has been taking the kids out to dinner and other &#8220;fun&#8221; stuff), so from Sally&#8217;s point of view, you have a) mean mommy and b) sweet daddy that&#8217;s been missing for just a while (remember, we don&#8217;t know how long Don has been gone, and before he left for LA he had been visiting the kids often.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://jimcofer.com/personal/?p=1817&#038;cpage=1#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In a strange scene, Betty calls Sarah Beth… who admits that she slept with Arthur Case. Sarah Beth blames Betty for the entire incident, and Betty plays dumb. While it’s true what Betty says - that no one forced Sarah Beth to sleep with Arthur - Betty totally set them up, and now she’s acting as if she had nothing whatsoever to do with it. I suppose we’ll learn more about this scene later.&lt;/i&gt;

It’s interesting.  Neither Sara Beth nor Betty are really taking any responsibility for Sara Beth’s affair with Arthur.  Yet, fans seem more willing to place the blame on Betty for setting up the lunch than on Sara Beth for giving in to temptation and screwing Arthur.


&lt;i&gt;For the love of God, Joan… please go back to Roger. I know that you’re just a fictional character on a TV show, but please… you deserve so much better than that!&lt;/i&gt;

Roger has just dumped his wife of 25 years for a 20 year-old secretary in order to feel young again.  Why do people assume that he can &lt;i&gt;rescue&lt;/i&gt; Joan?  Only Joan can rescue herself from her situation with Greg.  She can leave him.


&lt;i&gt;Harry says that Sheila “dropped him after three days” (thank you, Lord!).&lt;/i&gt;

Not into interracial romances are we?  It’s typical that a racist like Harry would be the one to crow over Paul’s failed romance with Sheila.


&lt;i&gt;”It’s sort of… sweet that Sally loves her Daddy so much that she’s taken up smoking and drinking to be like him. I know, I know… she’s 8 years old. But still, it reminds us that someone at the Draper home misses Don.”&lt;/i&gt;

Why should she, since “Daddy” conveniently disappeared on them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In a strange scene, Betty calls Sarah Beth… who admits that she slept with Arthur Case. Sarah Beth blames Betty for the entire incident, and Betty plays dumb. While it’s true what Betty says &#8211; that no one forced Sarah Beth to sleep with Arthur &#8211; Betty totally set them up, and now she’s acting as if she had nothing whatsoever to do with it. I suppose we’ll learn more about this scene later.</i></p>
<p>It’s interesting.  Neither Sara Beth nor Betty are really taking any responsibility for Sara Beth’s affair with Arthur.  Yet, fans seem more willing to place the blame on Betty for setting up the lunch than on Sara Beth for giving in to temptation and screwing Arthur.</p>
<p><i>For the love of God, Joan… please go back to Roger. I know that you’re just a fictional character on a TV show, but please… you deserve so much better than that!</i></p>
<p>Roger has just dumped his wife of 25 years for a 20 year-old secretary in order to feel young again.  Why do people assume that he can <i>rescue</i> Joan?  Only Joan can rescue herself from her situation with Greg.  She can leave him.</p>
<p><i>Harry says that Sheila “dropped him after three days” (thank you, Lord!).</i></p>
<p>Not into interracial romances are we?  It’s typical that a racist like Harry would be the one to crow over Paul’s failed romance with Sheila.</p>
<p><i>”It’s sort of… sweet that Sally loves her Daddy so much that she’s taken up smoking and drinking to be like him. I know, I know… she’s 8 years old. But still, it reminds us that someone at the Draper home misses Don.”</i></p>
<p>Why should she, since “Daddy” conveniently disappeared on them?</p>
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